Jan 16, 2012

So, You love Jesus, but hate the church ... Really?


So, I’ve had it with people saying, “I love Jesus, but I hate the church.” I get it, okay. I understand. At times, and in some important ways, the church has not lived up to its calling. Sometimes, the church gets co-opted by political parties, marketing schemes and other worldly concerns that shrink the mission and vitality of the church, if not completely undermine it altogether. That said, I believe we throw the proverbial baby out with the bath water when we take the perspective that says “I love Jesus, but I hate the church.”
The problem seems to be a matter of rhetoric about the church. N. T. Wright puts it this way:
I use the word “church” here with a somewhat heavy heart. I know that for many of my readers that very word will carry the overtones of large, dark buildings, pompous religious pronouncements, false solemnity, and rank hypocrisy. But there is no easy alternative. I, too, feel the weight of that negative image. I battle with it professionally all the time.

But there is another side to it, a side which shows all the signs of the wind and fire, of the bird brooding over the waters and bringing new life. For many, “church” means just the opposite of that negative image. It’s a place of welcome and laughter, of healing and hope, of friends and family and justice and new life. It’s where the homeless drop in for a bowl of soup and the elderly stop by for a chat. It’s where one group is working to help drug addicts and another is campaigning for global justice. It’s where you’ll find people learning to pray, coming to faith, struggling with temptation, finding new purpose, and getting in touch with a new power to carry that purpose out. It’s where people bring their own small faith and discover, in getting together with others to worship the one true God, that the whole becomes greater than the sum of its parts. No church is like this all the time. But a remarkable number of churches are partly like that for quite a lot of the time.

Nor must we forget that it was the church in South Africa which worked and prayed and suffered and struggled so that, when major change happened and apartheid was overthrown and a new freedom came to that land, it came without the massive bloodshed we were all expecting. It was the church which stayed alive at the heart of the old Communist Eastern Europe, and which at the end, with processions of candles and crosses, made it clear that enough was enough. It is the church which, despite all its follies and failings, is there when it counts in hospitals, schools, prisons, and many other places. I would rather rehabilitate the word ‘church’ than beat about the bush with long-winded phrases like ‘the family of God’s people’ or ‘all those who believe in and follow Jesus’ or ‘the company of those who, in the power of the Spirit, are bringing God’s new creation to birth.’ But I mean all those things when I say “church.” (Simply Christian, pp. 123-124)

As much as I sympathize with the perspective that says, “I love Jesus, but I hate the church,” I believe it is seriously wrong-headed and reflects spiritual immaturity. First, this kind of statement is nonsensical. You can’t love Jesus and hate His bride (Ephesians 5:25). You can’t love Jesus, and then hate his church. He bled and died for the church (Acts 20:28).
Second, as N. T. Wright pointed out, there is no real alternative. That’s the real problem with this perspective, as I see it. The suggestion is that you can take it or leave it—as if the church is all a bunch of pomp and circumstance and no substance. To people who are looking for hope, help and a place to grow and perfect the holiness of Christ in their lives, the church is exactly what they need. To a world that is drowning in sin and selfishness, the church is its last best hope. I agree with Bill Hybels, who said in his book Courageous Leadership (2002):
There is nothing like the local church when it’s working right. Its beauty is indescribable. Its power is breathtaking. Its potential is unlimited. It comforts the grieving and heals the broken in the context of community. It builds bridges to seekers and opens its arms to the forgotten, the downtrodden, and the disillusioned. It breaks the chains of addictions, frees the oppressed, and offers belonging to the marginalized of this world. The potential of the local church is almost more than I can grasp.
Third, while we do need prophetic voices in the church, and voices of reform and renewal, we do not need voices that only know how to disparage and discourage. The perspective that says, “I love Jesus, but I hate the church,” thinks it has identified the problem. But, all they’ve done is to define the church by those aspects of it that have failed to truly be the church. When this “hate the church” perspective speaks of “church,” they have a narrow and limited perspective. They only see the bad. And, when you only have eyes to see what’s wrong and what’s bad, you will not fail to find what you’re looking for. This is why it seems so immature to anyone who has been in the trenches for longer than a minute. Jesus promised that the world would hate his disciples, but now his disciples are taking over for the world.
If those who hold this perspective want to reform and renew the vitality and mission of the church, then I am right there with them. But, the rhetoric is not helping folks. Let’s drop the polemical rhetoric, the false dichotomy of Jesus vs. the church and find a way to be a part of the solution. After all, if you’re not part of the solution, you’re probably part of the problem.

8 comments:

  1. Amen honey!!

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  2. I find the statement of hating the church completely valid. see the argument is not about Jesus vs the church its Jesus vs the current American definition of church. I don't think you will find anyone who has this issue with churches in Indonesia and Africa or south Asia. the issue is with the failure happening and the lives of people in america who are saved yet continue on the same road and change small bits of their live proclaiming Christ has saved me and then moving in the same direction they were when they were coming to a building every Sunday and then during the week doing the same thing they were 2 years before finding Jesus. when you are saved your life priorities should have changed drastically. yet most are left saying OK now what. and that right there is a failing of the local church. if that person is not discipled immediately with another strong(my life was completely changed)Christian. then they will go whatever and move on with their daily life showing up on Sunday to see what the pastor has to say and then moving on to the rest of the week. the American church has become more worried about convenience then about saving souls. we need to be able to drive thru get our salvation and then be able to get to work by 7. thats why people say I hate the church but love Jesus. I doubt you see those statements from people in places like Indonesia or Laos where they disappear you for proclaiming Jesus is lord. I agree its not useful to run around saying that but to say that statement is immature seems a bit harsh. I think most would say most people say I love Jesus but I hate the American church. The American church has done a lot to earn that. I think both your quotes are correct but they are misunderstanding their targets statements. a lot of churches do great things that does not mean they are serving their purpose.

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  3. The question is, when people say this, are they saying that they literally hate the church, the body of Christ, the people, or are they saying they hate the structure of the American institution known as "the church" ? Some may hate the people, because they feel they've been wronged, and we need to right that, to go make things right with those people who have been hurt. Others are saying that what the church has become as an institution is not the true church established by Jesus and his apostles.

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  4. Still others may have a view of Jesus that he was about love and acceptance, not love and righteousness, and see the church as more judgmental. Not sure what to say about that. They don't love Jesus either, they just love what they think about Him. They want an imaginary Jesus and a church that doesn't condemn or correct sin.

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  5. Very well said, Ryan! I don't think you can truly love Jesus, but "hate" the church (or even what some think it's turned into). We are imperfect beings, so here on earth, yes the church has some flaws. But there is so much good being done, so many people that the church has helped and/or led to Christ, etc., that you can't just write off the church. The church is very much needed, both for people who don't know Jesus, and for those who do and are trying so much to live for God.

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  6. Thanks for all the good comments! I appreciate the feedback and dialogue.

    Mark, I totally agree with you concerning the failings of the American church. Of course, we don't want to paint all churches with the same brush. In many places across America, the church is experiencing tremendous renewal and doing some wonderful kingdom work. But, by and large, I would agree that the American church has lost sight of the radical nature of the gospel and seeks convenience over conversion of life. But, I still disagree with the "I hate the church" attitude. Maybe, it's just the harsh rhetoric that seems immature to me. Teenagers are notoriously black and white in their thinking. And, when someone says, "I hate the church," it just reminds me of a teenager saying to their parents, "I hate you guys." But, that's just my affective reaction. My more reflective reaction to the statement finds it careless and unfairly disparaging of the many churches and members of those churches that are sincerely seeking the kingdom of God and His righteousness. Perhaps, it would be helpful to use a more careful articulation of the problem, instead of careless rhetoric. I hate it when my kids backtalk their mother. Really, I hate it. But, I love my kids. And, I hate it when the church is content and satisfied with anything less than vibrant faith and ministry. I really hate it. It's the work of the devil. But, I love the church.

    Dallas Willard's book "The Great Omission" seriously challenges churches to realize what they've omitted from the great commission (Mt. 28:18-20) and get back to "making disciples." Willard's challenge is both direct and valid. The church has omitted discipleship, and replaced it with nominal church involvement. Still, he offers some powerful suggestions to us who embrace this challenge in the "Afterword" to the book:

    "What to do now! Convert the world? No. Convert the church? 'Judgment,' it is famously said, 'begins at the house of God.' It has the divine light and divine provisions, and because of that is most responsible to guide humankind. But 'no' again. Do not 'convert the church.' Your first move 'as you go' is, in a manner of speaking: Convert me." (p. 225).

    That's what I have purposed to do in my own life. God help me! And, I pray that God will present opportunities for me to share this grace of discipleship with others, and that includes my ministry within the local church. Willard goes on to say:

    "Well, but someone says, what about the church and the world? Don't these need to be straightened out? No doubt about that! But it's not your job or mine. And if we undertake on our own to straighten out the church and the world, we will hurt a lot of people and make ourselves miserable. It is God's job, and He will do it, and in the way it should be done--of which we probably have little or no idea at all. But must we not do something about our situation in this world? No doubt we must, and many good opportunities will certainly present themselves to us. Do them the best you can. Just don't take it upon yourself to carry the load, to make it happen. Always keep in mind who is really in charge of the greater scene--it isn't you or me. Be humble before others as well as before God--especially those who are sure we are wrong. Most important, don't allow your thoughts and efforts to change things to come before or take the place of your practice of discipleship, walking with Jesus. That is to be your constant preoccupation, and what comes of it will witness to and powerfully influence others around you. This is the sure path to changing things, in the church or in the world." (p. 227).

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  7. Bethany, thanks for raising the "wounded" people issue. I agree. In broad strokes, I would say that the church has wounded people. I can attest to that personally. The church has shamefully ignored many on the margins. It's true, the church has numerous flaws. Revelation chs. 2-3 indicate that some churches will die out, and well they should.

    But are all churches are bad? Some are very good. And, most are a mix of good and bad (wheat & tares)--I suppose that's just what happens when fallible human beings are involved. But, the answer to bad churches (or more precisely, bad things that happen in churches) is not to abandon the church. It's a renewal of the church from the ground up. As Willard says, it starts with me. That's what I pray my Y generation (millenials) will begin to say. Not "I hate the church," but "I love the church so much that I am devoted to doing my part to make it beautiful and glorious, a bride fit for the King of kings. Because, after all, Jesus loves the church. He really does. And, it's not just the ideal of the church or the invisible, universal sense of the church that Jesus loves. He actually loves visible, local churches. I would go so far as to say that Jesus loves all churches, just like he loves all people, good, bad, ugly, whatever. Sure, he wants sinners to repent. And, I'm sure that he wants some churches to repent. But, Jesus doesn't hate any church.

    I agree with you that some folks have the wrong idea about Jesus and then misjudge the church according to their mistaken ideas. That's why we preach and teach the truth of the gospel. And, we ought to pray in these situations above all.

    Okay... my comments are way too long... sorry! ;)

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  8. BTW, this blog entry was inspired (provoked) by a blog I read on the gospel coalition's website. Here's the link:

    http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2012/01/13/does-jesus-hate-religion-kinda-sorta-not-really/

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